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Joanna Newsom.

  • Dec. 18th, 2006 at 9:40 PM
Huh?
Ever wonder if the universe is baiting you?

See, it's not that I dislike her or even have strong feeling about her or that I think people shouldn't listen to her or are fools for doing so. If a musician gives you special squishy feelings, makes you laugh or cry or shake your fist, or whatever: I do not stand in the way of your enjoyment. I offer opinions insofar as my own feelings about the music are concerned, but I do not judge or criticize you. Moreover, as long as I feel a musician is making the music they want to make (as opposed to packaged shit that they know sells, like Celine Dion, Britney, or whatever), I say, godspeed to you and him/her.

It's just that, sometimes, I don't understand how the hipster mind operates.

Madrigals, early music, children's songs, fey British folk, psychedelia, harp music: these all exist. They have existed for centuries in some cases. Like twerpy spacey chick singing? Buy a Joni Mitchell or Judy Collins record. Bizarre meandering lyrics? Send Jandek ten bucks. Modern interpretation of Baroque classical, polyphony, and madrigals? Medieval Baebes, Rasputina, or what have you. Its all there, it didn't need to be reinvented; reintroduced, rather, in a more palatably hip format.

Re: the latter Baroquemadripolyphony genre and its forebears. Beyond my wife (who introduced me to this stuff) and myself, I don't think I've known anyone into the above genres. Ever. I've never seen an Anonymous 4 album reviewed in Maximumrocknroll I don't recall the merits of The King's Singers versus the Hilliard Ensemble ever being discussed in Forced Exposure.

I get weird looks when I spin some of this stuff for friends, what with its fa-la-la'ing, poncey phraseology, odd time signatures, and weird harmonies. I don't care, I think its pretty, even as I realize how lame it seems. I don't know how many of you were around during the the 70s. I was, and I remember a time when every high school had a madrigals group (I think it had something to do with the popularity of the musical Camelot). They'd mostly perform around Christmastime, in full doublets and pointy princess hats, and sing about figgy pudding and how yon mistress' merrymaid doth gambol in the snowflakes whence she threw the busted leather flintcraw over the loose weave of the saddlecock and rode on in the friscalating dusklight. I get the impression the madrigal folks were the people the chess club beat up. When I listen to madrigals and such, I love it, but I understand how it's perceived by most folks. Lame. Not that I care or agree, I just recognize this perception.

So, Joanna Newsom.

Suddenly a harp-playing dryad with a weenie voice shows up and she's the shit. Wha-huh? The cynic in me says that because she played with Smog, Steve "I wouldn't wipe my ass with the Cocteau Twins" Albini produce the album, Jim O'Rourke stopped by to remix it all, and she backs up her harp (a harp! a harp!) with a wall of modern sound, all the critics and hipsters decided, "Say, there must something to this." Cynic me has a good point. But because Cynic me tends to go off half-cocked, I decided to listen to her more closely on iTunes.

And I'm still confused.

I like to think I'm pretty diverse in my musical tastes. Some of you probably figure I'm up to my nose in blues 78s and that I consider all music made after 1939 to be excreta dropped from the Devil's anus. Not so. Running through my collection is like following an Amazon recommendation string from Johannes Ockeghem to Ken Vandermark. That said, Newsom' music has some good bits—she's dealing with some pretty advanced ideas for her age (24)—but it still feels like an experimental muddle of indulgence. I have the same problem with Arcade Fire. There's all kindsa things happening, but the more I listen the more I feel like the blasting miasma of sound is there to overwhelm and distract the listener until they surrender and say the music must be smarter than they are.

Anyway, I liken it all to talking to an inventor of a perpetual motion machine who has his psycho-physio-babble patter down to the brain-boggling point where you think, by golly, maybe he's onto something. Even though you know there's no such goddamn thing as a perpetual motion machine.

Which leads me to another tangent: the artist who determinedly has no category. This is a very tricky way to maintain a career. Usually it leads to developing a style that's outre and banishes you from airplay, but is still marketable to your hardcore fans while drawing in new listeners, even if only for an single album. Kate Bush, Nick Cave, Tom Waits, Cat Power, and others all do this. By word of mouth Captain Beefheart continues to hold firm as a musical genius, though some (not me) would debate this. And they all are geniuses, to varying degrees... But why is it considered necessarily so? And why is it if Tom Waits were to decide to record a straight up anthology of his favorite Monkees tunes (no megaphones, cookie monster vocals, theremins, musical saws, farsifa organs, barn creakings, or even a Charlie Musselwhite cameo... I'm talking Tom out and out covering "Last Train to Clarksville" without irony), there would still be a huge segment of critics who would not say, "Omigod, Tom has slipped a cog!" but rather, "My God, the man's GENIUS is unstoppable!"

One last notion, I suspect that sometimes the hipsters are looking for permission to be soft and fuzzy once in a while. Do what you will with that.

Comments

[info]sueg wrote:
Dec. 19th, 2006 12:51 pm (UTC)
In Vague Defense of Joanna Newsom
I love Joanna Newsom. Actually, [info]wanderingaengus suggested her to me based on some other loopy female vocalists I like, and I dug her instantaneously. I can see how someone might NOT like her.... But she's right down my alley.

I am not much of a music critic; the way I enjoy music doesn't really lend itself to cognizant analysis, but what I like about her is, I dunno, I feel like I'm listening to her real voice, the way she sings inside her own head. Like I love when Lisa Germano sounds like she's a little stuffed up, or Cat Power being sort of husky and growly... Like I enjoy listening to Sarah Vowell (I know, you don't like her) BECAUSE she has a little lisp. I mean, I really like Lucinda Williams too, so potentially-grating high pitched freaky voices obviously aren't a problem for me. Something about JN's voice and lyrics together just delight me - I can hear the shape of her mouth as she sings, if that makes any sense, and I love that. And I'm pretty sure my hipster credentials have been all washed up for a number of years.
[info]gilmoure wrote:
Dec. 19th, 2006 01:12 pm (UTC)
There is nothing more pathetic than an fuzzy hipster.

[info]mrdankelly wrote:
Dec. 19th, 2006 03:45 pm (UTC)
Shave 'em dry!
[info]quixotic wrote:
Dec. 19th, 2006 01:23 pm (UTC)
i have yet to listen to joanna newsom (law school gets in the way of new music for me -- i just don't have time, and when i do have time for music, i just want to listen to fugazi in the dark and rock back and forth).. but it seems like a lot of the hipster darlings that i have listened to are just less cool older stuff regurgitated in a form that it's okay to like. not that a lot of this stuff is bad, but i put it on and think "what's the point?" it's not new and different, it doesn't blow my mind, it's just... fine.

.. and actually, the university of texas still has a madrigal group.

-a
[info]mrdankelly wrote:
Dec. 19th, 2006 03:12 pm (UTC)
it's just... fine.

I think you have a t-shirt slogan there.
[info]quixotic wrote:
Dec. 19th, 2006 03:42 pm (UTC)
hurrah! now to make my millions!

-a
[info]mrdankelly wrote:
Dec. 19th, 2006 03:46 pm (UTC)
Where's my 10 percent!?!
[info]cordiloquy wrote:
Dec. 19th, 2006 01:49 pm (UTC)
I like Newsom's voice; it's like a less soulful Karen Dalton, but that's still a compliment.

However, THE HARP MUST DIE. And I like harps in non-gimmicky contexts. There's a chance she's just following her freakish muse, I guess, but the "harp-playing dryad" persona is such a selling point for her that I'm unconvinced she's not at least on the same continuum as Celine/Britney. At any rate, she seems bizarrely willing to sacrifice decent songs to godawful instrumentation and arrangements.
[info]semibold wrote:
Dec. 19th, 2006 03:06 pm (UTC)
I have heard exactly one of her songs, that somehow migrated into my iTunes and I have no idea how it got there. Maybe it was on a mix someone gave me, I don't know.

Anyway, I find her voice far too twee for my taste, so I can't imagine seeking out any more of her music. However, intellectually I sort of understand why people would like her. AND I don't think you can discount her elfin cuteness as part of her appeal to a certain segment of the population. . .
[info]mrdankelly wrote:
Dec. 19th, 2006 03:11 pm (UTC)
Yeah, but there's Liv Tyler elfishness, and then there's Rudolph, the Red Nose Reindeer elfishness. If she starts singing about filling Santa's shelves, the jig is up!
[info]ortho_bob wrote:
Dec. 19th, 2006 03:14 pm (UTC)
I'm amused by the way Ys gets so many folks all bent out of shape to the extent they can't merely pass it by but feel they must pummel it into dust and give anyone who likes it a black eye and a Chinese burn and accuse them of having some dastardly ulterior motive for liking such stuff. It all seems such a disproportionate amount of effort.

I do think a lot of people have a problem with "rock" music having aspirations beyond the limits set down circa 1980 -- the fear of prog still lingers, and while this is sometimes a useful corrective it too often stifles imagination and means anything that couldn't have been done by the Clash or Ramones is regarded as suspect.
[info]mrdankelly wrote:
Dec. 19th, 2006 03:27 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that's my other point. Why am I reacting? Is there some residual bitchy 23-year-old rock critic radiation left in me? I just have the sensation that I've seen this before. Liz Phair, especially, who wrote two songs that I like, but was so goddamned omnipresent and pimped by the rock elite and critical powers that be as The Shit™, I, and so many others, grew to hate her if only for her omnipresence. The attempt to go Hollywood was annoying too, but first things first.

Maybe it feels like a betrayal; as if after a dozen years the rock gatekeepers have suddenly said, "Okay, you know that sissy fey folk crap that we told you was sissy fey folk crap and that you had sissy fey folk crap taste for listening to it? Well, it's good now. Yeah, like that time when we finally allowed you to listen to Nick Drake."

Pedigree always seems to have something to do with it too. I've talked about this before in regards to the punkification of folk arts. Knitting is for little old ladies, unless punk rock diva X enjoys it. Then there must be something there.

In Newsom's defense, I don't recall any bitching about the weird and fey fusions Andrew Bird dabbles in. Men are given more latitude to experiment and indulge themselves, I suppose, as long as they keep one foot in the blues and rock. Women are obviously just trying to be freaky space fairies. Sheesh.

No harp rock though, please. That only leads to piccolo rock.
[info]mrdankelly wrote:
Dec. 19th, 2006 03:33 pm (UTC)
In Newsom's defense, I don't recall any bitching about the weird and fey fusions Andrew Bird dabbles in.

For instance. I love Bird's music. I'm just using him as an example of a music experimenter who is also dabbling in classical music, jazz, gypsy tunes, American folk, Scandanavian fiddle styles, and even more pretentious genres without much criticism.
[info]ortho_bob wrote:
Dec. 19th, 2006 04:06 pm (UTC)
I do see where you're coming from -- I think. I don't know how this album has been presented, promoted and consumed by the target audience, but it's always been that case that things often come out of the rock continuum that are taken by its audience as unique and special when they're actually part of some external genre and often distinctly mediocre in comparison. Case in point (to go to a ludicrous extreme) that new Sting album of John Dowland lute songs. To Sting fans this will no doubt be all new and wonderful but they'll continue to ignore better performers of the material and the wider catalog. (I'm sure there are better "hipster" examples.) I don't think this is the case with Newsom -- Ys is soaked in a wide range of influences but I couldn't point to something else and say this is how it should be done.
[info]mojo_iv wrote:
Dec. 19th, 2006 03:31 pm (UTC)
I have yet to figure out what people think is so great about Albini. Near as I can figure, all he ever does is take loud bands and lower their levels so you can't hear the bass unless your volume's all the way up. Krist Novaselic is almost entirely absent from In Utero.

--m4
[info]mrdankelly wrote:
Dec. 19th, 2006 03:43 pm (UTC)
Some people's sense of "I" is so highly developed, they acquire the ability to sway the opinions of large groups of self-doubting people, who will defend to the death their hero's tastes as their own. Albini has this. So does Charles Manson, though moreso.

I don't blame Albini for this, but I recognize him as a potent opinion leader. The man has strong opinions about what he likes and he stands by them, so good for him. His highly visible intractability, however, allows him to reach and infuriate larger groups than most of us. A generation of rock critics came up either loathing or worshipping him too.

I think it's the same reason why, a thousand years ago or so, when people heard about a hermit who lived in a cave in the desert and spent his days decrying the sins of mankind while whipping himself bloody, half of them mocked him as a madman, while the other half started looking for their own cave nearby.
[info]mojo_iv wrote:
Dec. 19th, 2006 04:00 pm (UTC)
I have this image of Kim Deal leaving a steaming puddle on his grave...

--m4
[info]mrdankelly wrote:
Dec. 19th, 2006 04:05 pm (UTC)
Did you ever hear a story about how, supposedly, the Pixies' Surfer Rosa album was almost titled That's Pussy, because that was, supposedly, Albini's response to any of the Pixies' ideas about production? I always wondered if that was true.
[info]mojo_iv wrote:
Dec. 19th, 2006 04:14 pm (UTC)
Well, I suppose the trad gestures of dis-inhibition just look rehearsed anyway, maybe it's more electrifying and electrified to be rooted to the spot. What's Albini like to work with?

"He's like this braniac, about six foot tall but only 80 pounds, always reading, always figuring out manuals to see how things work. He's into lo-tech, eight-track, he likes live, he hates overdubs."

Kim: "He hates vocals. We spent days and days on the guitars and drums, and did the vocals in one night. It's like he said: 'You're going to do vocals on that song? Well, if you really want to â¦' He said that it's the first time he's worked with people who can sing. He hated doing the 'ri-ri-ri' harmonies on 'River Euphrates'."

Charles: "He's very extreme. It's either 'that's great, that's genius' or 'that's pussy, that sucks'."

Joey: "Pussy or non-pussy, that was the studio jargon."


--m4
[info]farechicken wrote:
Dec. 19th, 2006 07:27 pm (UTC)
I have yet to listen to Ys on record, but I reeeeally enjoyed The Milk Eyed Mender once I got over her Lisa Simpson/stroke victim voice.

Then I went to see her. First I thought she really WAS a stroke victim, because she was singing out of the side of her mouth and making painfully stupid faces, but no, she was doing it on purpose. Combine that with the "I'm so adorable! I'm so giggly and innocent!" act and her impossibly smelly fans who ate it up and moaned orgasmically at the beginning of every song...and I can't even listen to Mender anymore without being annoyed. It is kind of sad!

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